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| writing, mos def, television, war criminals, insult wavs, girl power, salon, swear, robert b. weide, bill clinton, ben affleck, livingin oblivion (ws), adam goldberg, comments, graf, rap song, grumpytroll, james legros, lyric to tupac, | The judge asked "what did he call you?" "He chris penn called me a motherf-----". --Infrogmation 16:06 8 Jun 2003 (UTC) Moved: Although often thought to relate to the widely chris penn condemned biological and cultural incest taboo, its origins are to be found chris penn in North American slavery. Here the sexual abuse of enslaved women often led to pregnancy. However the offspring were often enslaved like their mothers. Rather than refer to the man who impregnated their mother as father, the term motherfucker was often prefered. Similar grammatical forms are found in other african-english expressions such as babymother and babyfather. I agree with Michael here. It's not the age of the term that's the problem, (as has been said, "Oedipus was the first motherfucker" <g>)it's this supposed derivation of it that's highly unlikely when you think about it. I'd like to see a source before it's put back. |
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| Talk:Motherfucker From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Rather than salon a "see also", probably should just be a redirect. Also, isn't it usually a compound word (motherfucker)? Hmm, that appears to be a redirect to incest which doesn't match the common use of the word at all. --Brion 21:43 Jan 10, salon 2003 (UTC) Just redirect it to fuck and mention that this is often used in the same context. -- Modemac Merriam-Webster dates this term to 1952. This is significantly past the period of time implied by the article's notion that the salon term came about as a result of slave owners raping slave women. Is there any actual source for this information? --Michael 05:37 8 Jun 2003 (UTC) I don't know anything about the supposed origin of the term in slavery, but it certainly predates 1952 (although perhaps not in print). One anecdotal example was found by a friend who was researching old New Orleans police records concerning bars where music was played. Something along the line of in the late 1910s a man brought to court for stabbing someone told the judge that he had to stab the other guy, because of what the other guy had called him. |
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